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 Post subject: Is SM still stronger than DBZ?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:01 pm 
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Before, it was pretty apparent that, yeah, SM > DBZ, but with the advent of Battle of The Gods bringing an MFTL Galaxy Buster, Super Saiyan God Goku, and Whis (who is implied to be a Universe Buster), I'm not so sure now.

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 Post subject: Re: Is SM still stronger than DBZ?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:54 pm 
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They're just like Superman, they're as powerful as their creators need/want them to be.

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 Post subject: Re: Is SM still stronger than DBZ?
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Except they're better written, not as dull, and generally have more personality than Kristen Stewart.

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Based on speculation both verses are close, but the SM verse still has the edge in concrete feats. As soon as I see Goku either blow up a large star or survive such blast then I may revisit the debate, but only true galaxy busters who have an immunity to time/space control can outright beat the Sailor Moon verse.


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 Post subject: Re: Is SM still stronger than DBZ?
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 Post subject: Re: Is SM still stronger than DBZ?
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Echelon9 wrote:
Based on speculation both verses are close, but the SM verse still has the edge in concrete feats. As soon as I see Goku either blow up a large star or survive such blast then I may revisit the debate, but only true galaxy busters who have an immunity to time/space control can outright beat the Sailor Moon verse.


Or, you know, a Universe buster like Whis. (last time I checked, he was.)

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 Post subject: Re: Is SM still stronger than DBZ?
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Not, counting Kinasin's Gogeta.

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Princess Venus wrote:
Or, you know, a Universe buster like Whis. (last time I checked, he was.)


I don't recall Whis destroying one, nor can I validate this claim form any other reliable source. At best this claim is speculation; not concrete.


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Based on speculation both verses are close, but the SM verse still has the edge in concrete feats. As soon as I see Goku either blow up a large star or survive such blast then I may revisit the debate, but only true galaxy busters who have an immunity to time/space control can outright beat the Sailor Moon verse.

like galactus :eeklez:

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 Post subject: Re: Is SM still stronger than DBZ?
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like galactus :eeklez:


Yes, like Galactus - when he's fed. I don't know if a starving Galactus could do it though.


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 Post subject: Re: Is SM still stronger than DBZ?
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A starving Galactus, no way.

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Princess Venus wrote:
A starving Galactus, no way.

if galactus cant, may be ideon can beat sm verse


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 Post subject: Re: Is SM still stronger than DBZ?
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SM has more energy power
DBZ has more physical power.

Hand to hand SM would get god-stomped.


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There's also a difference factor.

Sailor Moon is magical based, and none of the saiyans have resistance to magic, and since they can't speed blitz...probably not be able to stand up to manga ESM, or most of the other attacks. Piccolo is really the only character that can handle magic attacks, aside from the magic villains (Babadi, Buu, and possibly Cell).

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 Post subject: Re: Is SM still stronger than DBZ?
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Usagi-Moonwalker wrote:
SM has more energy power
DBZ has more physical power.

Hand to hand SM would get god-stomped.


And DBZ characters would get stomped if they got into a "who has the bigger penis" duel with energy attacks. Speed too. And Hax? LOL the SM would rape based on that alone. Basically physical strength is the only advantage for DBZ.


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 Post subject: Re: Is SM still stronger than DBZ?
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What about DBS? :question: :siren: :question:

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 Post subject: Re: Is SM still stronger than DBZ?
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I'd say DBS counts. In which case Beerus easily solos.

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 Post subject: Re: Is SM still stronger than DBZ?
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Well, gods of destruction own face here. Xeno is obvious... Angels are still a tossup.

Everyone else is a mess at this point, since with the ToP, it's all over the place.

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 Post subject: Re: Is SM still stronger than DBZ?
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Some sources peg Sailor Cosmos at universal+. I don'y buy that. IMO she tops out at galaxy level. SSG Blue Goku seems to be solidly multi-galaxy+. Maybe not quite true universal. Gods of Destruction, and certainly the Angels, seem to be at least that powerful. Zeno seems to be solidly multi-universal+. Even wanked Sailor Moon still would be less powerful than Zeno. I still believe that she could effortlessly solo Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z, though. The jump in power between Z and Super has been ridiculous. And since the power scaling between in series characters is not consistent at all in Super, it makes comparisons to characters outside the series to be even more difficult.


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 Post subject: Re: Is SM still stronger than DBZ?
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TBH, Goku and Vegeta are a mess to even peg at how strong they are in blue. I mean, so far the strongest we've seen them is against Black and Zamasu, but then we just had Goku in SSB get pushed back by a raged up fem Broly...Of course that could all be down to "BUILD UP FOR GOKU VS JIREN!!! LOLOLOLOL", but I still say power scaling is a mess with them. To be perfectly honest, rage mode SSJ2 Trunks seems to be better than both of them...

Either way, it's still a mess.

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Zhortac wrote:
TBH, Goku and Vegeta are a mess to even peg at how strong they are in blue. I mean, so far the strongest we've seen them is against Black and Zamasu, but then we just had Goku in SSB get pushed back by a raged up fem Broly...Of course that could all be down to "BUILD UP FOR GOKU VS JIREN!!! LOLOLOLOL", but I still say power scaling is a mess with them. To be perfectly honest, rage mode SSJ2 Trunks seems to be better than both of them...

Either way, it's still a mess.


Exactly. If you can't even scale the power of Blue properly to other characters in Super, then that doesn't really translate to characters outside the DBS series. Goku as a Super Saiyan God nearly wiped the universe out as a result of his punches colliding with Beerus. Basic in series scaling tells us that Blue > SSG.


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TBH, Goku and Vegeta are a mess to even peg at how strong they are in blue. I mean, so far the strongest we've seen them is against Black and Zamasu, but then we just had Goku in SSB get pushed back by a raged up fem Broly...Of course that could all be down to "BUILD UP FOR GOKU VS JIREN!!! LOLOLOLOL", but I still say power scaling is a mess with them. To be perfectly honest, rage mode SSJ2 Trunks seems to be better than both of them...

Either way, it's still a mess.


Exactly. If you can't even scale the power of Blue properly to other characters in Super, then that doesn't really translate to characters outside the DBS series. Goku as a Super Saiyan God nearly wiped the universe out as a result of his punches colliding with Beerus. Basic in series scaling tells us that Blue > SSG.


50% chance Goku and Vegeta win, 50% chance they get their ☹ kicked.

I really think Toriyama just stopped caring about how strong anyone is anymore.

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