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 Post subject: Re: SMC Opening Re-Drawn in '90s Style
PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 4:12 pm 
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Oh my gosh, guys! It's just a fun video. You either like it or you don't. Why does everything have to become an argument? Seriously!


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 Post subject: Re: SMC Opening Re-Drawn in '90s Style
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This fanmade opening is very impressive and I enjoyed it a lot. But the 90s anime was far from perfect and it also suffered a lot from inconsistent art styles and animation errors and off-model character design work.


Well, I think that for an anime made in the early-90s, the Sailor Moon 90's anime had some decent quality.

Kindly don't get me wrong. I enjoy watching Crystal, I am a Crystal fan, I have fun watching the episodes. But I also feel that defending Crystal has become an impossible task. Too many inconsistencies to put up with. We had to wait a long time for Crystal's debut. It started as an ONA series, became a televised show, and now the remaining arcs are going to have completely different formats; movies with undisclosed release dates. TOEI has been testing my and other Crystal fans' patience from day 1, to the extent that now is causing annoyance. Denying that is not acknowledging the situation.

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 Post subject: Re: SMC Opening Re-Drawn in '90s Style
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This fanmade opening is very impressive and I enjoyed it a lot. But the 90s anime was far from perfect and it also suffered a lot from inconsistent art styles and animation errors and off-model character design work.


Well, I think that for an anime made in the early-90s, the Sailor Moon 90's anime had some decent quality.

Kindly don't get me wrong. I enjoy watching Crystal, I am a Crystal fan, I have fun watching the episodes. But I also feel that defending Crystal has become an impossible task. Too many inconsistencies to put up with. We had to wait a long time for Crystal's debut. It started as an ONA series, became a televised show, and now the remaining arcs are going to have completely different formats; movies with undisclosed release dates. TOEI has been testing my and other Crystal fans' patience from day 1, to the extent that now is causing annoyance. Denying that is not acknowledging the situation.

You can blame the producers for that . They keep changing, and want different things


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 Post subject: Re: SMC Opening Re-Drawn in '90s Style
PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 4:56 pm 
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Do you want me to search your post history to prove your bias? Because you are one of the people who constantly did this during seasons 1-2.

Please do. Because aside from jokes I made for fun, when I criticized Crystal I was always specific and without comparing it to the original anime. And to save you the trouble, you can look at some my posts doing exactly that for Act 17, Act 15, Act 14, Act 13, and Act 11. :)

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 Post subject: Re: SMC Opening Re-Drawn in '90s Style
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I don't think they care about what we think, as long as we buy the merchandise, then whatever to everything else.


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 Post subject: Re: SMC Opening Re-Drawn in '90s Style
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Wasn't everyone on this site whining before about how they hated season three of Crystal was too much like the 90s anime? Now some fan makes a cheap fan made YouTube and suddenly everyone is orgasming over it and begging for Crystal to be more like the 90s anime. Make up your minds people.


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 Post subject: Re: SMC Opening Re-Drawn in '90s Style
PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 5:34 pm 
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Not this guy humilliating Toei and Crystal's character designer like that, LMAO.
They should hire him.
They won't hire Marco Albeiro. What makes you think they will hire some random Internet user? It's a well made fan made video but it's not anything more special than what Marco Albiero already does.


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 Post subject: Re: SMC Opening Re-Drawn in '90s Style
PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 5:50 pm 
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I would like to see a slow-mo version so I can enjoy it in detail :smug:

Now if this is so polarizing, maybe this thread could be moved to the fanart section, then it's no longer Off Topic. :mischief:

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 Post subject: Re: SMC Opening Re-Drawn in '90s Style
PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:57 pm 
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Now if this is so polarizing, maybe this thread could be moved to the fanart section, then it's no longer Off Topic. :mischief:

Lemme try & see if that'd work - I do hope so but ain't so sure. :P

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 Post subject: Re: SMC Opening Re-Drawn in '90s Style
PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 7:10 pm 
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Wasn't everyone on this site whining before about how they hated season three of Crystal was too much like the 90s anime? Now some fan makes a cheap fan made YouTube and suddenly everyone is orgasming over it and begging for Crystal to be more like the 90s anime. Make up your minds people.


I don't think anyone's being inconsistent here? Those of us who like this video like it because it uses the 90s anime's art style/character designs. The complaints about Season III being "too much like the 90s anime" were due to it lazily copy and pasting the 90s anime's attack stock footage. Those are two very separate issues.

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 Post subject: Re: SMC Opening Re-Drawn in '90s Style
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Neon Genesis wrote:
What makes you think they will hire some random Internet user?


That random internet user being able to create higher quality animation than Crystal's staff, by himself, with no studio support.
I mean, you know you're bad at what you do when some amateur fan gives you a run for your money without even trying...

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 Post subject: Re: SMC Opening Re-Drawn in '90s Style
PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 7:34 pm 
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What makes you think they will hire some random Internet user?


That random internet user being able to create higher quality animation than Crystal's staff, by himself, with no studio support.
I mean, you know you're bad at what you do when some amateur fan gives you a run for your money without even trying...


There was studio support.

The artist traced almost everything. Much like what Marco did with all Crystal promotional art.


If there's one artist they should hire it's Rudolf Pap. But hire him as a director.

His work on the DBZ :usagi: Crosstale Crossover is amazing. 8)

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 Post subject: Re: SMC Opening Re-Drawn in '90s Style
PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:26 pm 
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Neon Genesis wrote:
Wasn't everyone on this site whining before about how they hated season three of Crystal was too much like the 90s anime? Make up your minds people.

Those were mostly Crystal fans who loved Yukie Sato's style. Different people have different opinions. Why are you lumping them all together?

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 Post subject: Re: SMC Opening Re-Drawn in '90s Style
PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:31 pm 
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But the 90s anime was far from perfect and it also suffered a lot from inconsistent art styles and animation errors and off-model character design work.


The 90's series was also cel-animated and created 20 years ago. Just saying.


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 Post subject: Re: SMC Opening Re-Drawn in '90s Style
PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:42 pm 
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Now some fan makes a cheap fan made YouTube...

Cheap? How dare you! :angry: Cheap and poorly-made is the official Crystal opening. You obviously have no idea how animation is produced nor the amount of talent and level of skill, craftsmanship and dedication it requires to achieve what this animator did.

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 Post subject: Re: SMC Opening Re-Drawn in '90s Style
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Wasn't everyone on this site whining before about how they hated season three of Crystal was too much like the 90s anime? Now some fan makes a cheap fan made YouTube and suddenly everyone is orgasming over it and begging for Crystal to be more like the 90s anime. Make up your minds people.


I don't think anyone's being inconsistent here? Those of us who like this video like it because it uses the 90s anime's art style/character designs. The complaints about Season III being "too much like the 90s anime" were due to it lazily copy and pasting the 90s anime's attack stock footage. Those are two very separate issues.

I actually liked it when they copied the stock footage attacks for attacks that existed in the 90s anime however for new attacks I feel that should have their own animation. I was very disappointed in how Chronos Typhoon was done or instance and I didn't like how Space Sword Blaster was basically World Shaking with a Sword.

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 Post subject: Re: SMC Opening Re-Drawn in '90s Style
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I actually liked it when they copied the stock footage attacks for attacks that existed in the 90s anime however for new attacks I feel that should have their own animation. I was very disappointed in how Chronos Typhoon was done or instance and I didn't like how Space Sword Blaster was basically World Shaking with a Sword.


Mars Snake Fire, Jupiter Coconut Cyclone, and Venus Wink Chain Sword were all given completely original animation. I didn't really care for any of them.

Mars Snake Fire was extremely underwhelming.

Wink and Coconut looked too similar, and clashed with the style of the other attacks.


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 Post subject: Re: SMC Opening Re-Drawn in '90s Style
PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:52 pm 
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I was a fan of the real time attacks with some periods of stock footage. I like how Burning Mandala was done in stock and the ending was change into like fireball blasts. Not so much feeling how often they used the stock footage. My issue is how they use it in scenes that make no sense...like Venus Wink Chain Sword/Coconut Cyclone in mid air is like ummm yeah... whatever, just show a real time attack that makes sense with situation. Other than that, I didn't mind the stock footage.


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 Post subject: Re: SMC Opening Re-Drawn in '90s Style
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Now some fan makes a cheap fan made YouTube...

Cheap? How dare you! :angry: Cheap and poorly-made is the official Crystal opening. You obviously have no idea how animation is produced nor the amount of talent and level of skill, craftsmanship and dedication it requires to achieve what this animator did.
I honestly don't care what you think about anything and I can't stand this fandom.


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 Post subject: Re: SMC Opening Re-Drawn in '90s Style
PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:32 pm 
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I honestly don't care what you think about anything and I can't stand this fandom.

Right back at you, sweetie. :)

It's no surprise to me that Crystal fans, specifically season 1 & 2 (aka Yukie Sato) fans would turn on this amazing artist. They did the same with Marco Albiero when he started doing manga and Crystal art which was better than the official artwork. People naturally pointed this out and so these fans resented him for it and tried putting him down.

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 Post subject: Re: SMC Opening Re-Drawn in '90s Style
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^^^alright simmer down you two insulting each other is against forum rules and i just don't like it brings back some not so fond memories

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Oh my gosh, guys! It's just a fun video. You either like it or you don't. Why does everything have to become an argument? Seriously!


i couldn't agree more with this lets just have a nice chat without bickering and besides this opening is beautiful (and it will probably look even more so once its in color) whoever made this deserves to be hired by Toei

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ok the train stops here

no more with this argument stick to the topic itself or I will lock

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The movement is better in the original version of the opening (Shida's animation skills and whatnot), but the artwork is a really great emulation of Ikuko Itoh's style. In a perfect world, I'd love to see this person and the person who traced over the season 3 transformations with super outfits to work together on this. :P

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I love the little joke at the end where Usagi hits Rei with the Cutie Moon Rod by accident and Rei blows off at her. It's such a cute character moment. :keke:

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The 90s style just fits Sailor Moon more.


I disagree somewhat, Maria. Rei, I think and maybe Michiru look much more beautiful in the manga's art style.

Well I always thought that the manga and the 90s anime's styles were fairly close on the most part. I mean the manga's style resembles more of the 90s anime then it does any season of Crystal. I mean look at Beryl for instance. Yes she has more of her manga styled dress on but physical feature wise 90s Beryl looked more like manga Beryl then Crystal Beryl did.


Maria, you may have a point. I do love the art styles of the 90's anime but I also love the manga art style. If you would be so willing, please send a PM. Let's discuss it there.

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The guy who animated this also plays the piano. Really well too. Talk about multi-talented!


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You can blame the producers for that . They keep changing, and want different things


Of course.

I liked Crystal --particularly seasons 2 & 3-- and although season 3 did have different character designs, I thought of them, personally, as an improvement.

Because I thought season 3 was an improvement, I wish TOEI had started working on season 4 right away and that, by now, we would be watching season 4... and we are not.

Anyhow, apologies for the tone of my recent posts. I just have been feeling very frustrated with TOEI.

BTW, I thought Mars's snake fire was pretty cool.

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^ I have been feeling frustrated w/ Toei as well! :x

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I love the little joke at the end where Usagi hits Rei with the Cutie Moon Rod by accident and Rei blows off at her. It's such a cute character moment. :keke:

Yeah. me too.

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The guy who animated this also plays the piano. Really well too. Talk about multi-talented!


Pretty cool. :cool:

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